‘NBC will not be able to predict the winner. …’

Eternal vigilance, etc., et al., and so on and so forth.

After the briefest of discussions …

“You wanna watch the debate?”

“Nah. You?”


… we decided against encouraging further silliness from NBC and the Democratic National Committee.

Finding some way to watch would have been a pain in the ass — we don’t have cable, and can’t get much of anything over the air without a rooftop antenna — and then there would have been the actual watching, which, ick.

Charlie Pierce found Tim Ryan full of the bafflegab, Elizabeth Warren on her game, Beto O’Rourke so light of weight that he “spent the evening looking as though he had to be tied down to keep from floating out the door,” and Julián Castro “the one Texan who knew what he was talking about.”

Kevin Drum found Beto “talking in platitudes,” Castro “clear and well-briefed,” Warren “OK for now,” and John Delaney “very annoying.” He also found the general unwillingness to discuss climate change an indication that the candidates “were afraid of saying something that will be interpreted as asking people to make an actual sacrifice.”

Mother Times and the WaPo (that would be a great band name, no?) are awash in the usual morning-after hooey about “divisions among Democrats,” and who “won” and who “lost,” if that’s your idea of a good time.

Meanwhile, Field Marshal Turkish von Turkenstein (commander, 1st Feline Home Defense Regiment) remains on the alert. He remains convinced that the Revolution will not be televised.

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17 Responses to “‘NBC will not be able to predict the winner. …’”

  1. Pat O'Brien Says:

    One should respect Turk’s wisdom, even if he is a military type. And Charlie and Kevin are preaching to the choir, as are we.

  2. carl duellman Says:

    love me some gil scott heron

  3. JD Dallager Says:

    Regretfully, I think this is another take on: “The process is more important than the product.” Or, “It’s all about the journey; not the destination.”

    Yoda: “There is no trying; you either do or you don’t.”

    I hope I’m wrong! 🙂

    But then again, hope is not a good strategy most times.

  4. Charley Auer Says:

    IMO, Warren, Castro, and Booker showed up best! Why couldn’t NBC Put this on without commercials. Very cheap & tacky!

    • Pat O'Brien Says:

      Restricting the audience perhaps? Why wasn’t it live streamed and broadcast on every network and internet outlet? Would that be the civic minded thing to do? Shit, no money doing that.

      Just like a country singer will tell you Patrick, no money past the fifth fret. So, don’t worry about those barre chords. All you need is three chords and a good song according to Emylou Harris. Who can argue with that. Now, if I could sing like her then……..

    • Patrick O'Grady Says:

      I understand that these dog-and-pony shows are moneymakers for the networks’ news divisions, which ordinarily eat shit, revenue-wise.

      As regards the barre chords, man, I’m hopeless. Woeful. But I can handle some simple stuff, enough to play a little John Prine, Commander Cody, Jerry Jeff, Tom Waits, Steve Earle, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, and Flying Burrito Brothers.

      And yeah, Emmylou. What a voice. Those trios she did with Linda Ronstadt and Dolly Parton … now that there is some singin’, Bubba.

      Here’s one that’s fun to play, even for those of us who are weak on the barre chords:

  5. khal spencer Says:

    I found the debate on one web site that promptly crashed the computer twice. Then found the NBC link in time to have Cory Booker spouting loudly into my face. We had a house guest present who needed help badly with understanding how to use Outlook, and that took precedence over having Cory scream at me about gun control. So I killed the NBC link and concentrated on our friend’s dilemma.

    So our friend, who recently gay-married, has a spouse with serious health issues. Given our nation’s fucked up health care situation, friend went back to work in mid-seventies so to have health insurance for significant other. Sure enough, The Boss expects everything in the office to be done electronically. So the question is, how does one handle electronic attachments, save, and manage them after being out of the work force for a long time. I do a lot of that moving of e-crap around from one side of my desk to the other so I was press ganged into a quick tutorial. That was a far more important way to spend my evening and I couldn’t concentrate on it while listening to partisan bullshit, even from my own party (although I’ll probably drum myself out of it).

    Several of those candidates, including ones that O’G dismissed, I wouldn’t elect to dog catcher. I like Liz Warren but turned the NBC back on just in time to see her stridently lecturing into the screen. Jeziz, if I were one of her law students, I’d probably flee the lecture hall in terror. Way smart lady with lots of ideas, some of which need to play in Michigan rather than to the Coastal Blue Base. Tone down the style or she may scare people off?

    Maybe I’ll try tonight’s version and see what Statler and Waldorf and company have to say. Or, as Dickens said, I’ll just retire to Bedlam.

    • psobrien Says:

      Any of them on the debate last night would bring a knife to the Trump gun fight. Now, Harris has prosecuted child molester, child neglecters, mother stabbers, father rapers, and all those other folks on the “Group W” bench. Maybe she has the stink for the upcoming alley fight.

  6. Andy H Says:

    First comment! yes… Mother Times and the WaPo would be a great band name.

  7. SAO’ Says:

    I saw Mother Times and the Whappo open for RadioHead in ‘93, Merriweather Post Pavilion.

  8. SAO’D Says:

    In 2016, around 20 million mid-west, blue collar types looked at a real estate scam artist and the democratic offering and concluded that the Manhattan /Hollywood guy better represented their values.

    That is a problem that will not go away with offers of free college, green new deals, and anything else currently on the democratic platform

    There are maybe three candidates who are trying to address this, and none of them are doing it well.

    The good news is that they have 500 days to figure this out. The bad news is, we have to listen to another 500 days of them trying to figure it out

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