There’s some lovely filth down here

“Listen, strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government.”

Y’know, actually, it’s sounding pretty good to me right now.


24 Responses to “There’s some lovely filth down here”

  1. khal spencer Says:

    You know you live in bad times when Monty Python takes a back seat to reality.

  2. khal spencer Says:

    On the other hand, maybe there is a better way to choose a president than the primary system.

    • Steve O Says:

      I’m a big fan of an NCAA style, 64 candidate, single elimination tournament. First time NPR took on PBS, a dead guy won, so anything could happen

      • Steve O Says:

        And given today’s field of candidates, there are thousands of dead guys I would preferred to have in office over this band of loonies

  3. Chris Ford Says:

    What, there’s something wrong with relying on the wisdom of a populace whose education system has largely been gutted over the last 35 years? Who firmly believe that the next President should govern with a King James Bible in one hand and an automatic rifle in the other? Who believe that a document written over 200 years ago has to be interpreted according to what the original writers are believed to have meant at the time? What could be wrong with that?Sorry, too snarky, and I am not American. However, what happens in November has serious, utterly horrifying implications for my country, the least of which is a trade war, and with your country’s water problems could even degenerate into worse. So I am watching with at minimum a very nervous disposition.

    • khal spencer Says:

      Constitutional interpretation is an interesting subject. To some great degree, what the writers intended is important, as they gave us the document itself and as Age of Enlightenment men, were probably a bit smarter than the average mouth breather today. The basic concepts are important.

      Speaking of originalism (and I agree with Adam Winkler that Scalia wandered pretty far from originalism), figuring out how to apply the Constitution to modern problems is the trick.I read all three opinions in Heller vs. D.C., for example. Very interesting. I suspect most people who rail about Heller never read the majority ruling, to say nothing of Justice Stevens and Justice Breyer’s caustic dissents.

      • Steve O Says:

        Isn’t it funny that your average jury of 12 common citizens is forced to come to a unanimous decision, but the suppose it greatest legal mines in the country are allowed to decide and issue with a 5 to 4 vote?

        I wonder how things would be different if the constitution said that the Supreme Court members were not allowed to leave a minimally provisioned conference room until they came to a unanimous decision?

        ” Y’all want a sandwich and a glass of water? Want to sleep in your own bed tonight? Needing a shower or a toothbrush? Then figure out how to agree on something here… “

      • khal spencer Says:

        Yeah. Seems anything reflecting something as important as constitutionality should be at least a two-thirds majority. These five to four votes reek.

  4. Pat O'Brien Says:

    What we need is a large turnout of angry, disappointed, and informed voters to participate in the primaries. What we have instead, to date anyway, is a low turnout of emotional, single issue, and low information voters blinded by rage. The result will be oligarchs two, people, zero. A large turnout in the general election probably won’t happen now, and I predict most congressional incumbents will win again as they have for decades. And Sandy says get ready for Chris Christie as VP. The result there will be 4 more years of our ship of state sailing on auto pilot, slowly running out of fuel, and getting ever closer to the reef.

    Translation? We are screwed. Nobody worth a little shit, except Bernie, wants the fucking job. And he hasn’t a prayer unless he runs as an independent. Then he might have a 20% or so chance( my guess) if there is a yuuuuuuge turnout.

    • khal spencer Says:

      If Bernie runs as an indie, I greet you with President Trump, the 2016 version of the 2000 election. The again, Michael Bloomberg threatened to run, too.

      • Pat O'Brien Says:

        Well, you have a point Khal and most folks agree with you. But, the latest figures show that un-affiliated voters are in the majority in the country and in most states, even good old red Arizona. I based my 20% chance on that, a large turnout, and most un-affiliated voters swinging to Bernie as opposed to the shittiest choice we have had in a long time. But, you’re right. He would only have a 20% chance if he got Cory Booker to commit to the VP spot. I know Patrick, wish in one hand, and shit in the other………….

    • Steve O Says:


      If voter turnout is any indicator of enthusiasm, this year’s GOP voters are way, way more pumped than 2012 voters were. Democrats, meanwhile? Their excitement seems to have dimmed since 2008.

      Last night, more than 8.5 million Republicans turned out to vote in the 11 GOP Super Tuesday states that reported results. That suggests far more enthusiasm than the last time Republicans picked a nominee. In those same 11 states in 2012, turnout totaled only around 4.7 million.

      That makes this year’s turnout in those 11 states 81 percent higher than four years ago.

      Contrast that with the Democrats. In the Dems’ 11 states reporting results from last night, turnout totaled only around 5.9 million — that’s around 2.6 million fewer people than came out in those states 2008, when Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were in the middle of what would would be a long, hard-fought race.
      Here’s how that looked on a state-by-state basis. Only in Colorado did Democrats exceed their 2008 turnout. On the GOP side, Vermont was the only place with lower turnout than in 2012.

      • Pat O'Brien Says:

        Those numbers are interesting, but what’s are the percentages of eligible voters? It gets even harder to figure in states that have open primaries or those like South Carolina who do not require a party affiliation to register. Using the best data I could find in SC,
        I calculated voter turnout at about 25% or less for both repubs and docks. As Bernie said, voter turnout in the US is embarrassing. 2008 had a voter turnout of 62% of registered voters for the November election. But the percentage of eligible voters, in high turnout precincts in AZ, was less than 50%. I believe that is the case in most of the country. Apathy is what Drumpf is counting On, and I think he will be rewarded.

      • Patrick O'Grady Says:

        That’s what worries me. Anger is a powerful motivator. Angry people vote. And the angry righties hate the Hilldebeast at least as much as they hate the Kenyan Mooslim Socialist Usurper. Lefties aren’t her biggest boosters, either.

        The Hilldebeast is not an inspiring campaigner. She tries to mimic both the KMSU and Comrade Eeyore (“steals from” might be more accurate), but she couldn’t deliver a sound bite in a bucket. The kids who are excited about Eeyore are gonna have trouble holding their noses and voting for her. And there ain’t nothing lazier than a young, uninspired Democrat, except maybe an old, white Senate Republican.

        We get some bad news about the Hilldebeast and some worse weather on election day, well … no, I don’t even wanna think about it.

        If there’s a bright side, it’s that Trump is not likely to have many friends if he makes it to the Oval Office. He could find the Congress as intractable as Obummer has.

      • Pat O'Brien Says:

        Word, Patrick.

      • khal spencer Says:

        You nailed that analysis, O’G

  5. larryatcycleitalia Says:

    I think you’re getting your chamois all-in-a-bunch for nothing. The Rethugs couldn’t get R. Money elected so how are they going to get a guy they loathe into the White House? I’m not a big fan of Billary, but as someone said, “I’d crawl over broken glass to vote for her” for no other reason than the Supremes she’ll likely install during just one term. Sanders supporters are going to be scared s__t-less at the thought of Drumpf in the White House and their fear and anger will propel them into the voting booth in big numbers along with most of the non-white population who can scare up ID’s and get through the Rethug gauntlet to vote. I think Bernie will campaign for Billary at full trot to make sure Drumpf is defeated. A 3rd party move by either the Doncs or the Elefinks is political suicide.
    My backup position of course is a speedier move to Italy (we could pull the trigger on it before Drumpf could be sworn in!) if the “vulgar, talking yam” somehow gets elected…as you know what my wife says…

    • khal spencer Says:

      My guess is that Bernie will push the envelope as long as he can, right up to the Convention or until the scoreboard clinches it for one or the other. But whoever (probably Billary) gets the nod, they will close ranks and work together for the common good of making sure we don’t end up with a GOP shithead in the White House. I don’t, at least now, see a situation where they are dumb enough to shit on each other like the GOP frontrunners are doing. Both of them are too smart for that. But one never knows.

      The real issue will be to keep each of their base engaged and going to the polls. We Donks cannot afford to have a kitty snit and stay home.

  6. Steve O Says:

    FiveThirtyEight had a bit on voter turnout not too long ago. The argument was, go extreme right or left and fire up the bass, or tech back to the middle and convert moderates and independents?

    They found that the conventional wisdom is nearly always wrong, that the far left and far right don’t waver all that much from election election. We get around 40% turnout on non-presidential election years, and around 65% when the White House is up for grabs. And those numbers stay pretty constant for each subgroup.

    What’s hard to figure out is the one for one trade-offs. It’s possible that Obama fired up kids who typically wouldn’t have voted, while Hillary supporters felt burned and stayed home, so the numbers look like a wash. Same could happen with Trump this year. Demographically, the people he has raising Caine for him look a lot like the folks who realize he’s a joke. (Did you hear all of the Christie staff and supporters cutting bait when he endorsed THTR?)

    The Koch brothers figured this out, which is why they dump money into off cycle congressional races, focusing on scared old white men, and sitting out during presidential years like this one, when it’s a more level playing field. They consider the presidency a queen that they are willing to sacrifice for a metric shit-tonne of pawns.

  7. Pat O'Brien Says:

    Mitt, Mitt, why you treat me so bad?

    Signed, Drumpf

  8. khal spencer Says:

    Pat O’Brien, do you know anything on this? Two of ours from Santa Fe are dead.

    • khal spencer Says:

      Just heard from a Santa Fe rider that one of the fatals was a Tucson rider.

    • Pat O'Brien Says:

      Damn. There is a PAC Tour going here right now, but they are not scheduled to be in Tucson in until this afternoon. There are other tours going from different companies: We saw a group and the support van going through our neighbor hood yesterday. Maybe MD knows more.

  9. psobrien Says:

    More information from the Arizona Daily Star, a Tucson newspaper.

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