Your Second Amendment at work

Miss Mia Sopaipilla would like to know if it's safe to come out now. Because if it's not, she can stay right where she is and have her meals delivered.

Miss Mia Sopaipilla would like to know if it’s safe to come out now. Because if it’s not, she can stay right where she is and have her meals delivered.

Another mass shooting, this time in a Florida nightclub. Prepare yourselves for the tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, in 3, 2, 1. …

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29 Responses to “Your Second Amendment at work”

  1. Pat O'Brien Says:

    Here we go again. Shit.

  2. khal spencer Says:

    Omar Mateen. Afghan parents. I think Trump just won the election.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night-club-shooter/story?id=39790797

  3. Sharon Says:

    I hope I do not harm my friendships here. But I believe no one needs a AK 47 unless you are in the police or military. Just as you do not need hand grenades or other high carnage weapons. A shotgun will do just fine if you have an intruder coming into your home. Background checks do not work as you never know when someone will snap or change allegiances to radical groups. Or you can borrow them from your mom, dad, nephew, friend, etc. And if you can’t ban them, then open up the powers of liability against the sellers and manufacturers. Which if I’m not mistaken, one court case may already be on the way due to a loophole in the liability exclusion law. My husband is a hunter and none of his friends have or use one of these guns.

    • khal spencer Says:

      Hard to argue with any of that, Sharon, and no offense taken here. I’m as demoralized by this as Michael Bloomberg. This guy Omar the Terrorist/Gay Hater, or whatever sounds like he passed all the background checks and then he went over to the dark side.

      The sad part about all this is it seems all the carnage in the world just deepens the rift between the pro gun and anti gun side. It would take Hillary winning both houses of Congress (and a filibuster proof consensus) to get an “assault weapon” ban, if even that. Meanwhile, I suspect they are flying off the shelves again today.

      The PLCAA (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act) is what you are referring. I really doubt such a lawsuit would survive appeal. It would be like suing Subaru because I get drunk and use it to run a school bus fulla kids over a cliff.

      What no one has tried is a middle ground–amending the 1934 National Firearms Act to create a new class of weapons that could be regulated similar to fully automatic weapons. Hence the impasse.

      Given the Paris situation, I don’t think more laws or even an AR ban would stop a determined terrorist. But I suspect tighter policies would stop some of the more run of the mill lunatics, like Adam Lanza, simply because if you needed a Federal stamp and enhanced background check to buy an AR, many might not bother. As a fellow cyclist doing the Bandelier Loop commented to me this morning, ever since the National Park banned private vehicles in Bandelier, people have to ride a bus. Far fewer cars, and just a few buses with professional drivers. Its a lot safer for we lycra-weenies out there ever since.

    • Patrick O'Grady Says:

      No harm done to me, Sharon. I surrendered my Ruger Mini-Thirty to the authorities a while back for that very reason.

      The hunters I know mostly use bolt-action rifles, I think (for deer, antelope, elk, etc.) And yeah, for home defense, a shotgun is all the gun most folks are ever going to need, especially if they’d rather not have to worry about a few stray rounds from the family AR-15 croaking the toddler next door or the pensioner across the street in the heat of the moment.

      But I expect we’ll be subjected directly to the usual nonsense about tyranny, FreeDumb┬« and cold, dead hands. As if any of these Keyboard Kommandos plans to go toe to toe with Uncle Sam anytime soon. They talk a good fight, but seem to stand down pretty quick once Unk gets his dander up (see the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the Bundy Gang, et al.).

      Meanwhile, good news! Promag’s 30-round magazine for the AR-15 is on sale at Cabela’s for just $11.99.

      And Fox News plans a Geraldo Rivera special from Orlando at 10 p.m. tonight, while Greta Van Susteren will move her program to Florida starting on Monday. So we got that going for us, which is nice.

    • Pat O'Brien Says:

      I agree Sharon. If this guy had a bolt action rifle, a pump shotgun, or a single action revolver, people would have gotten hurt or killed, but a whole lot less. A whole lot less! Khal’s suggestion to group them with full auto guns has merit. But, it will never happen with this congress unless we fire most or all of them this November.

      Geraldo and Greta? Another reason to turn off the cable and stream PBS and the like. Less talking heads. A whole lot less.

      The Saga just got a detail, lube, and adjust session. Panniers are going on tomorrow with a 4 pound weight in each one. When I ride with the better half I will get some more work. Gotta start somewhere.

      • khal spencer Says:

        Even those actual semiauto hunting rifles with the internal 5 rd box magazines are not such problems. Like the old M-1, you are limited by the internal magazine, rather than whatever someone can dream up.

        12 bucks for a magazine? I’d suspect it is as reliable as Congress to work right. When I bought that Mini-14 from a guy moving to New York State with its SAFE Act, the rifle came with a 30 rd cheap aftermarket special. Never worked right. Looks evil, but I wouldn’t trust it as far as I could throw it. I mean really: if you need to hold off the Feds while occupying a national wildflower park, you need reliability.

      • Patrick O'Grady Says:

        Riding the Saga, are you, Pat? I rode both Sagas (disc and canti) and the Double Cross this week. I’m in woeful condition for touring thanks to various chores, veterinary medicine and road trips by Herself (did I mention she’s in Oak Ridge visiting Herself the Elder?)

        Those aftermarket mags do suck, K. I had 10- and 20-round mags for the Mini-Thirty and they never fed worth a damn. After five rounds I’d have been doing a Davy Crockett, using the thing as a club.

      • psobrien Says:

        I am going to ride the Saga more. I still have a multi-day tour in my head, and I might as well start getting ready. If nothing else, I will get in shape after 3 months of house stuff. Closing on the old one tomorrow. Damn, I will be glad when it is over.

    • Steve O Says:

      // I hope I do not harm my friendships here. But I believe no one needs a AK 47 unless you are in the police or military. //

      “Needs” is one of those dog whistle words. You say it, and I’m guessing you mean it in simply the practical sense. But the far right hears it, and they think, he goes the Nanny State again, tell me what I need and don’t need. Not going to read a word you said after that.

      The thing is, you’re right. You never hear of a toddler picking up dad’s shotgun and taking out half the family. Shotguns are infinitely better for home defense than assault weapons. In most every use case, they win. Maximum damage to intruder, minimal damage to bystanders, easy to shoot under duress, etc.

      Real problem is, 60-70% of the country can’t understand an issue if it won’t fit on a bumper sticker.

      Remember this country losing our collective shit over the Ebola scare? Which killed like 2 Americans?

  4. geekonabike Says:

    Why doesn’t anyone read the “well regulated militia’ part of the amendment before skipping straight to ‘right to bear arms?
    Every state has a “well regulated militia’, it’s call the National Guard.

    • Patrick O'Grady Says:

      This is why lawyers get to drive better cars than the rest of us. I don’t even want to think about how many times the Second Amendment has been in court. More than Trump, even.

      As I’ve said before, the sonofabitch was in dire need of a copy editor. The Second Amendment, not Trump. That sonofabitch is in need of something else altogether.

    • khal spencer Says:

      Read Heller vs. District of Columbia and MacDonald vs. Illinois for the SCOTUS take, i.e., operative and prefatory clauses. Regardless of whether it needs a good editor, we got what we got. What most people miss is that Scalia explicitly reads the 2A to allow for plenty of gun control. Its not the courts so much that are the problem, but the politicians. A good read on this subject is Adam Winkler’s Gunfight. Winkler is a constitutional law professor at UCLA and gun law is one of his favorite topics.

      I’m not sure the Founders assumed we would be running around like asshats shooting each other all the time. Back then they had muzzle loaders and only a few raving lunatics per state. Now we get that many in most small towns, and they are armed with some powerful shit.

      • khal spencer Says:

        Should have used the past tense with Scalia, obviously. Speaking of editors.

      • Patrick O'Grady Says:

        As K notes, political courage is in short supply here. Alas, NRA money is not.

        Some smart type yesterday was responding to politicos’ tweets of thought and prayer by noting how much money they’d taken from the NRA.

        I’ve always liked a friend’s idea of requiring politicos to wear NASCAR/pro cycling kit that lists all their “sponsors” so at a glance we can tell who owns whom.

    • Steve O Says:

      Birth control?
      BAN IT!
      Abortion?
      BAN IT!
      Gay marriage?
      BAN IT!
      Guns?
      Look, banning things never works. People will find ways to get them.

  5. psobrien Says:

    For some reason my replies are not posting. Beats me why.

  6. psobrien Says:

    I think maybe it was the link I was using. I will try this one. You can get this for $100 American, and it’s legal. Tell my why anyone would need one of these?

    • khal spencer Says:

      Seems to me that should require an NFA permit. If not, why the fuck not? The good news is most idiots would rapidly run out of ammo shooting what amounts to auto fire. Maybe that is a good idea. Run out of ammo fast. Then someone can overpower the gunman, ram it up his ass, and put in a new magazine.

      Obviously, most people just shoot this shit because it is fun. Expensive fun. But in the wrong hands, is it worth the risk to society. I think I know what everyone’s answer to that will be.

  7. Patrick O'Grady Says:

    Meanwhile, here’s today’s Regrettable Ad Placement.

  8. khal spencer Says:

    Bump fire explanation in MJ. Its actually not full auto, but talk about splitting hairs.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/how-make-your-gun-shoot-fully-automatic-one-easy-step

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